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Wingy Dingy Thingy vs WWF Comparison

Casey’s Blog:
The Wingy Dingy Thingy or whatever the heck you call it is the newest kid on the block that the surf industry is promoting the hell out of. (I am sure it cost under $100 bucks to make one and selling them for $800 plus has something to do with it-chaaa ching! $$$$🤔). I have been asked about a zillion times this year what is my take on it? Everyone who knows me knows that I never sugarcoat nor B.S. anything.
After playing with a wing all summer I now have some experience doing the Wingy Dingy Thingy Thing or “Stringless Kiting” or whatever you want to call it. Let me first say that it’s fun! Anything that gets you on the water is fun in my opinion. The most asked question is “don’t your arms gets tired?”, and my answer is no, not really. I would go out for a 2-3 hr session and my arms never got tired. The wing mostly pulls on your arms lightly in a neutral kind of way. When I first started learning to use it, my back arm would get a little tired from sheeting in while trying to get going. As I got better with the wing, that arm stopped getting tired.
Within a couple of days, I learned to use it and I was flying and gybing on my TopGun Foil Board, which works amazingly for winging. 👍👌 I give the disclaimer that I am also a very experienced foiler and waterman so I would not expect that to be the norm for the average or beginner folk. In fact, If you don’t know how to Foil, windsurf or kitesurf it’s got to be very hard to learn to wing-foil because there is a lot going on. First off, you are tethered to the wing and you are tethered to the board. Many times I would wipe out and come up a tangled mess.😆 Also, foils and Wingys don’t like to come in contact with each other. The foil is basically 4 knives trying to cut the kite up. There is lots of tape holding my Wingy together let me tell you. 😆 Once you get past all that, the Wingy experience is very cool; flying all around back and forth was lots of fun.
One of the appealing things of Wingy to me of course was riding swell (oh and I rode lots of swell with it!).😉 One negative thing I found was the lack of stability in the whole process. It’s hard enough to foil surf alone and then you add a flapping wing throwing you off balance all the time, that sure doesn’t make it easy.😒 When catching swell heading up-wind or side-shore it’s cool to just let the Wingy go neutral and ride the swell up wind. That’s fun stuff! Now if you want to ride a swell downwind, that has the same problem as kite surf foiling. You are now going with the wind matching it’s speed, which means the wing loses it’s lift and falls out of the air. So you literally have to hold the wingy up over your head and try to foil surf at the same time.😣 Not any fun and a very frustrating experience. The only time I could downwind foil surf on the wing was in 25-35kts+ where you had lots of wind keeping that wing in the air. So my conclusion of Wing foiling in the surf is- if you want to leisurely ride some swell upwind it works great, otherwise you need lots of wind to ride downwind. Side off conditions, for the lucky few in this world, are the best for the Wingy. Side off conditions work much better to be able ride a wave any way you want and they are best for keeping the wing flying.👍
“How is ‘Wingy Dingy Thingy’ compared to ‘Windsurf Wave Foiling?’” is the second most frequently asked question I have been asked this year. Both sports actually share the some of the same traits such as using a way smaller power source which makes it so easy on the arms/body (as long as they are paired up with the big surfy glidey foils). I am a bit biased but my conclusion is that Windsurf Wave Foiling wins that debate by a large margin and here is why. WWF is way easier and way way more stable (at least on a TopGun/GoFoil combo). The sail/mast being attached to the board always gives you something to lean on. When flying with the Wing, you need very good balance and two brains because you have to fly two independent things at once (the wing and the foil board…that is a lot going on!). WWF is way more efficient with the sail. I will use .5m to 1m less in sail size compared to Wing size. The smaller the size the more fun it is… that goes with any sport. WWF is way safer because the rig is attached to the board you pretty much always know where the foil is when you wipe out. When you crash while winging, you sometimes have no idea where that board and foil is which can be a bit nerve-wracking. When it comes to Riding swell, WWF is the big winner because you can ride any wave in any direction you want just by flagging out the sail. Winging is limited to upwind riding unless its blowing 30 or is side off (and if it’s blowing 30, I really don’t want to be on a foil). Good clean side off conditions can be where Winging can be on par or maybe even more fun…again that’s if you’re lucky enough to live in such a rare place. Traveling on planes would be much easier with the Wingy dingy Thingy. It packs up in a big backpack (though RRD has made sail kits that do the same now).

Well that pretty much sums up my experience with the wingy dingy thingy so far. I am looking forward to see how this new sport evolves. I expect to see lots of innovation in the next few years. Wingy dingy thingy is in it’s puppy stages. I feel like it’s just like Kiting was in the beginning; it took kiting about 6-8 years for the gear to start to be any fun. Luckily everything evolves faster these days.👍🤙 Remember, this is just my opinion on the subject. As always, with anything in life, give it a try and come up with your own take on it. Some people will love it and some will think it’s stupid. Either way it’s always fun learning new sports and playing with new toys.

Board Room: New TopGun “GOOSE” Big guy foil board

 

Casey’s Blog:

I am proud to introduce to you the all new TopGun “GOOSE”. This is a High performance WWF/Sup surf Foilboard for the big guys.  I had a lot of passion for developing this board,  cause I didn’t want to leave the “big guy” behind like the general surf industry does time and time again. (they think everyone is 150Lbs and uber talented)😆 Arhhh.    Well now the 200lb+ can out shred those annoying little surfers all day long. 🤙  and man dose this board shred.   It took a lot of R&D and time but I couldn’t be happier with the results.👌  It must be another winner cause the orders are already coming in and riders who demoed it, keep saying “its perfect”. 😆 (anybody want to work for free and build boards) hahaha.

The final stats come in at 144L 7’x31″ but as I try to always remind everyone specs for foil boards don’t mean the same like they do for surfboards so don’t get stuck on them.

🤙😎👌

 

Joel scoring the first Goose out of the board room. congrads🤙😎👌

Windsurf Wave Foiling (WWF) vs Wind Foiling

Casey’s Blog:  

What’s the difference between WWF and normal foiling? Isn’t it the same thing?”      This is the question asked to me a million times it seems and probably deservedly so, since I started the WWF craze 2 years ago.  My answer is sort of yes but No not really. To explain it the easiest way, normal wind foiling is more like slalom sailing and WWF is more like wave sailing and surfing.

Normal wind foiling is all about getting in the straps, locking in with  the back foot and going as fast as you can with as much power as you can handle.  A very “locked in” exciting  ride is great for flat water blasting.  It feels like you’re flying a jet (super cool feeling).  It’s the future of going fast in light winds and racing.

WWF is all about using big (slower, but only by a little bit) surf wing foils and tiny sails, which allows you to glide through the lulls, along with the ability to carve and turn like crazy.  Plus that combo gets you going in very little wind. The riding style is more of a upright stance with more front foot pressure that allows you to ride on top of the board and foil. Along with being strapless, this gives it a very similar feeling to riding a surf board. Now because you are using a Surf foil they are designed to gain speed on surf, swell and even large chop making for the coolest and most exciting moments where you dont even need any sail power.  Just surf the wave,  it’s all about surfy surfy.

What type of foiling is for you?   If you do most of your sailing in super flat water or just like to go fast then “Wind foiling” is the way to go.  If you like to play in swell, waves and carve it up in bump & Jump conditions  “WWF” will be your addiction.  I am really amazed at the board spectrum of styles, from surfers, sup, sup downwind, kite surfers and even windsurfers who haven’t windsurfed in 15 yrs,  all are wanting and getting into WWF. It’s pretty cool to see!

Foiling gear is a hot topic these days and a very complex one.  pretty much 99% of the gear being sold is for Wind foiling.  The only setup that has some similarities to WWF is the Naish Wind foil setup and maybe the slingshot kit with one of there bigger front wings, but even those kits are kind of of a hybrid version I would call it.  Naish, starboard and some others have crossover sup boards that would work and have the foil mount moved forward which is what ya need for WWF. The big problem with them is they have full blown out rocker because they are made to be a wave board and that makes for a horrible foil board. Hopefully in the next few years there will be more true and better WWF  kits and options available.

Hopefully that helps to answer that most frequently asked question, or it confused you even more (hahaha)!  One thing is for sure, Foiling is a revolution for all wind sports along with surfing and that makes for super exciting times!

 

WWF (Windsurf wave foiling)

Windfoiling

 

WWF (Windsurf wave Foiling) “What I Ride”

Casey’s Blog:

I have had sooo many Questions on the topic of WWF lately its crazy.  so I thought I would do some posts talking about this awesome new sport.  First up is the gear I am currently riding.  If anyone knows anything about me,  they know I only ride the highest quality and performing gear available on this planet. Its sort of a obsessive passion of mine.   OK so here is my Windsurf Wave Foiling kit (WWF).

Board:   6′ x 31″ 112L  (14LB) Strapless Reef Warrior Foil Board (aka”TOP GUN”), I will get into more with my foil boards in another post. but this baby is the “Pro” version, mostly for the very very experienced foiler.  This is the “Porsche” of Foil Boards.  For the majority the 7′ version of this board is perfect and is my recommendation to all levels.

Foil:    Go Foil these foils rock, and are the best for WWF and any other kind of wave foiling. (sup,kite,downwind,ect)  I have tried a few other brands and they work pretty good as surf foils, but not so good for WWF.   That’s what so unique about these foils is the range of use, from 6 knots to 25,  from flat water, to overhead waves with or with out a sail they absolutely rip, but yet are very easy to ride. The Iwa/Maliko200 wing kit is the best choice for most. I just got my hands on the 29.5″ mast and so far I am really liking it.

Sail: Naish Lift (Check out) is the best foil sail.  See Review here .  Just got the new 3.7 , its now my new fav size.

Mast: Naish 370 & 400 RDM 100% carbon. hey I only use the best.😉

Boom: Chinook RDG Carbon (Click Here) I also use the Goya RDG Carbon. both booms are super light weight and have the skinny grip, which makes for less arm fatigue and more fun.

Naish “Lift Foil Sail” Review.

Casey’s Blog:

I have been riding the naish “Lift” Foil specific sail for over a year now and it really seems to be the perfect foil sail, especially for WWF(Windsurf Wave Foiling).  I can definitely recommend this sail to anyone looking to step up their windsurfing foiling fun factor.

Is a foil-specific sail worth it?. When you’re learning no, but once you start to get better at foiling, it’s soooooo worth it. For all types of wind foiling (other then racing) you want lots of low end sail power to get you on foil then once you’re on a foil all you need is like  20% sail power to keep ya going. If you have too much sail power when foiling it gets very hard to control the foil. That is why when WWF I am usually using 2m less sail size then a normal windsurfing kit.

OK, now on to why the Naish Lift is so awesome for foiling and WWF.  First, it’s so freaken light and most of the time when I am uphauling in light winds that makes my back very happy. Second, it feels soo light in the hands with all that power down low and I feel like I am sailing nothing. I can sail this thing for hours without a harness which is pretty cool. Third, is the power you get when you pump the Lift. I mean you get Mega power out of this sail. With 2-3 pumps and I am flying in an instant and once on foil all that power disappears into a super easy handling/balanced lightweight rig=Perfect.

I have been using the 5.7 in 6-12knts and the 4.7 in 10-20knts.  Rigging is super easy. Set the downhaul to recommended settings with a tight leech. There is very little downhaul required. That’s one of the things that makes this sail special.  Also, you can use any manufacture mast on it and it should work pretty well because of this reason.  The outhaul is your “power setting” on this sail.  I will adjust this a lot depending on conditions anywhere from manufacture settings to -8cm of manufacture settings. For example, in 6-10knts the 5.7 manufacture setting is 194cm for the outhaul and I will set it at 186cm. What that does is it really bags the sail out and gives me uber low end pumping power to get going in light winds. It works amazingly well! That is why I don’t ever need a sail bigger then this 5.7 Naish Lift for WWF.

Who is this sail for?

  • Peeps into Freeride Wind Foiling.
  • Windsurf Wave Foilers
  • People who like ultra lightweight sails.
  • People who like ultra lightweight easy handling sails.
  • Sailors who don’t mind giving a couple sail pumps to get on foil.
  • Sailors who don’t want to buy a new mast
  • People who want to have more fun foiling.

Of course if anyone is looking to pull the trigger on a Naish Lift, Our fellow Reef Warrior friends at https://shop.wind-nc.com/ can get you one to your door Asap, with all the Reef Warrior discounts of course.!   Naish Lift Wind-NC Buy

 

 

Cam flying the Naish Lift like a Pro.

 

Some Movie action.